Curse

Niila · Jun 20, 2007, 11:39 PM // 23:39

Bumpage

I'd really like to see a dev comment this.

roalgumo7 · Jun 20, 2007, 11:46 PM // 23:46

Same thing happened to glad title I think...

/Signed

Skuld · Jun 21, 2007, 07:51 AM // 07:51

No, winning streaks were not tracked before the introduction of titles. The only things the game tracked were cartography, mission completion, and rank.

Destro Maniak · Jun 21, 2007, 12:13 PM // 12:13

/non signed

Cause what about people who donated for only the title. If so atthe time amber was giving faction people might have wouldnt donated them. So people who didnt cared about title now care it cause of the skills. If people made amber got those points in titlke track the real unfairness would be on people who donated.

Rocky Raccoon · Jun 21, 2007, 12:36 PM // 12:36

If you want the faction back you should have to buy in reverse with amber purchased. I think that would be fair as you would just be putting things back as they were.

Miral · Jun 21, 2007, 01:21 PM // 13:21

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

If you want the faction back you should have to buy in reverse with amber purchased. I think that would be fair as you would just be putting things back as they were.

thats one of the ideas i was toying around with but then realized that anyone could buy amber off the trader for a mere 100g or so and trade it in for 1000 faction points... which would basically turn the title into yet another gold sink which just promotes botting and buying gold... not to mention it would make the price of amber skyrocket for those wanting the armor...

bilateralrope · Jun 21, 2007, 01:31 PM // 13:31

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

If you want the faction back you should have to buy in reverse with amber purchased. I think that would be fair as you would just be putting things back as they were.

And I'm happy to do that, if you can find some way to calculate how much amber I did actually receive. I know I also lost faction because I earned over the 10k limit, this is because I decided that to avoid hitting 10k for each new characters befriending quest I decided to just leave it at 10k and when I got the reward the faction there was lost without any benefit to me. I just turned in quests as I completed them, which includes the two primary quests you get after the befriending quest on the kurzick side.

But if I had known about these skills, I would of spent towards the title instead of just wasting it on nothing.

Then there would be the faction lost because you can't easily hit exactly 10k, which is what the befriending quest requires.

So while I'm happy to pay back the amber I did get, I am however not willing to "return" amber I never received in the first place.

Then consider that the faction rewards would be the main source of amber/jade. But much of it was spent on armor. So even if you could calculate how much to return, it would probably still be asking for more amber/jade than actually exists in the GW economy.

If you want to charge players gold, how much do you charge per piece of amber ?
What about those players that don't have the gold ?

We are pissed off because we paid an equal amount of cash for factions, but we are being kept away from content that we would have access to if we had been warned about it coming previously, despite putting in equal work to the people that did suddenly have access to the content. But when you went for the title you knew you wouldn't be receiving any amber/jade and you still chose the title.

An easier option may be to just give the people who donated faction to an alliance jade/amber for the amount they donated. If you can calculate that amount after taking both title points for amber/jade and double points for skills/donations into account. Then watch the price of jade and amber drop even further.
Then again I did donate some faction to my alliance shortly after the factions release, before the serious faction farmers organized, when we actually had a hope of holding a town. So I'll be getting some amber if ANET does it this way.

At this point I see only one possible solution: Set both faction titles to the higher of the faction earned and the points the title currently has.

If ANET feels the title farmers deserve jade/amber then give everyone one piece for every 1000 faction they have in the title before doing the above change.

Though GW has experienced one rollback, confirming that ANET is making the smart choice of taking full snapshots of GW on a regular basis. So it may be viable (depending on how the backups are stored) to go to the last backup before the faction skills came out and use that for the amber/jade given to the title holders.
But because ANET would need information about items that could of been created and then destroyed between backups, and that even if they didn't they would need to look at all backups since the factions release, its not viable to use them to calculate how much amber/jade each player received from rewards

Enix · Jun 21, 2007, 02:55 PM // 14:55

/signed

It should be calculated based on your total faction earned, or the levels should be MUCH lower. It took me like 8 hours of grinding doing FFF to just get to the first tier. I have already beaten Factions with 8 of my 10 Chars, and I dont plan on beating it with my Para and Derv. :S

VinnyRidira · Jun 21, 2007, 06:01 PM // 18:01

/signed
I have never collected much faction even though I have completed Factions with 6 characters. Sunspear was part of the game, faction was just a means to the end of completing Factions. I never even knew you would get faction by taking blessings, also did not blessings cost to take?

greenthumb · Jun 21, 2007, 11:31 PM // 23:31

I think it's too late, and I don't think ANet is addressing this issue any further, but just to toss out the idea....I think an approach that would've been both easy and fair would've been to give everyone a one-time credit for Faction Earned (or a percentage of that amount, e.g., 50%) toward the title track on top of Faction Donated and then rescale the title tracks accordingly.

Those who already donated faction earlier would have a boost in points and would still maintain their net advantage in the respective title track, and those who traded their faction for amber/jade would have some significant progress on the respective title track to have better access and use of those new skills.

With such an approach, the new skills would be more widely available, and those who earlier made the choice to donate their faction would still be further in the title track than those who received amber/jade so that they would still have the benefit for making their earlier choices.